On3 vs whipple

[SteveP]

Over 12k miles on my on3 kit with all there basic parts and no problems. I'm looking at getting a better flowing turbo but I'm going to keep all the other stuff. For the price I love the power it makes and realiabilty. My buddies cobra is making 550hp on the basic parts execpt the turbo.

One thing we have found to upgrade is the piping. At higher RPM's and esp with a bigger/better turbo, the piping restricts the flow. This has to do with the design and flow.

 

[rford426]

One thing we have found to upgrade is the piping. At higher RPM's and esp with a bigger/better turbo, the piping restricts the flow. This has to do with the design and flow.

Which most do with the hellion 2.5 feed piping?

 

[SteveP]

it's the same size but the flow is what honestly makes the difference. Also quality of piping. Hellion use Bassani. not china

 

[rford426]

Id say Jeremy has proven the piping is good till 650+ no?

Isn't the on3 designed off hellion?

Not disagreeing that on3 doesn't use the best quality of stainless but I don't see how your saying its restricting? Specially if it is based off the hellion kit...

 

[rford426]

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=900041&postcount=49

^ that 2.5 piping to tb can't be good let alone the clusterfuck they have under the hood with the hellion kit. Not a fan of the hellion kit over all with the low hanging pipes...id buy a on3 kit before hellion just to save the $. If i was gonna buy a quality kit it would be THP.

 

[SteveP]

On3 copied hellion but in a much cheaper route. You do get what you pay for.

THP makes some good power but fits horrible, On3 makes bad piping and decent power. (good for bone stock cars) hellion works all around. I'm running the hellion kit on mine and the piping is just fine. Never bottom out and easy to work around.

All the 2011's are even better designed too.

The s197 here with the on3 kit and precision swap, the piping NEVER fit right and had to be re done many times. In the end, he spent more then a hellion kit that comes with the 76 upgrade.

 

[rford426]

On3 makes no power? Haha Jeremy is at 656... Yea he doesn't have on3 turbo or wg or bov but who would keep that shit? How does it now make power? Id say 650+ is powwwa... Not defending the on3 at all as I have a HP performance turbo kit. But find it funny how you say hellion is better when on3 is based off the hellion kit with shitty components that only a retard would keep.

In the end I still believe the on3 with tial bov and wg and a billet 6765 is the best bang for your buck out there.

 

[Tbone]

Thanks lightblade for the instructions! And thanks for the offer guys but this project will start in the spring. I live in canada and the mustang is getting parked at the end of the month. Gives me all winter to gather components and have a really busy week in the spring!

It looks like alot of work but am really looking forward to putting it on myself. Gonna do a build thread then too with a ton of pics. I know its been done before many times but just in case someone sees something that I missed or messed up they can point it out. Im gonna go the On3 route with Tial bov and wastegate, then it sounds like I should have a decent system.

Thanks everyone for the input!

 

[SteveP]

On3 makes no power? Haha Jeremy is at 656... Yea he doesn't have on3 turbo or wg or bov but who would keep that shit? How does it now make power? Id say 650+ is powwwa... Not defending the on3 at all as I have a HP performance turbo kit. But find it funny how you say hellion is better when on3 is based off the hellion kit with shitty components that only a retard would keep.

In the end I still believe the on3 with tial bov and wg and a billet 6765 is the best bang for your buck out there.

it's based off the design but if u compare the 2 side by side, you will see a HUGE difference in location, piping quality, and flow design.

But if your looking to spend the least amount, you will pay more in the end upgrading to make the on3 work. A turbo a lone is 1000 if not more. We have not seen one kit come in here that has not had to be modified. For the price of the on3, not worth it if your looking to make some good power in the end. if your stock and just want a turbo, it should be fine.

 

[rford426]

$1700 for piping
$1000 for billet turbo
$250 for wastegate
$150 for BOV
$400 for a I/C

Thats $3500 ? WAAAAY cheaper than a hellion after the upgrades. whats the hellion start at $5500+?
you can buy a fuel system and gauges and still be under the hellion kit.
And it doesn't have a billet turbo

And cmon again with the "if you want to make big power"...Is lightblade not making good power ? I guess our views on big power are different. 650+ is pretty good power if you ask me. specially for saving 2k over the kit it is based off of.

 

[rford426]

And everyone knows you have to modify the hellion to make big power....
Turbopete. Lito has done a hellion Blow Thru conversion. soo that you have to modify it to make power goes both ways if you ask me.

 

[08nastygt]

I don't see how you can't make good power. Also they do a precision 67mm upgrade for 600 bucks with the kit now. Like I said before my buddies sitting at 550 on a mustang dyno with his kit everything on3 but the turbo. I'm at 490 at 8lbs and have ran 12.0@118 all day spinning.

 

[rford426]

I don't see how you can't make good power. Also they do a precision 67mm upgrade for 600 bucks with the kit now. Like I said before my buddies sitting at 550 on a mustang dyno with his kit everything on3 but the turbo. I'm at 490 at 8lbs and have ran 12.0@118 all day spinning.

Thats what im trying to figure out as well why he think you "can't make big power"...Id say Lightblade is one expample 650+ is pretty good if you ask me

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

Just go Whipple and be halfway down the track before the other guys turbo kicks in.

 

[rford426]

KrisR was 600+ on a MASTER POWER t70 hahha it made 600 with inefficient turbo...

 

[rford426]

Just go Whipple and be halfway down the track before the other guys turbo kicks in.

Not a billet wheel on a 2step hahaha

 

[08nastygt]

And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't sell the upgrades if they wouldn't fit with the kit. I've meet chad 3 timss that's how I was able to be the first cae with the kit on it. He wouldn't screw ya if it didn't work. Also OP he sells 03 injectors for like 120. So you could get a precision and injectors then all you'd need is a bap and tune.

 

[JeremyH]

One thing we have found to upgrade is the piping. At higher RPM's and esp with a bigger/better turbo, the piping restricts the flow. This has to do with the design and flow.

What!? Are yout talking about hotside or coldside piping?

Is 16psi, 650rwhp and 7k rpms not high enough lol

Gonna need more tech than just "we found the piping restricts flow" at what 30psi 1000rwhp?

Sounds more like an assumption to me.

What car did you try to make big power with a stock on3 kit on?

Which most do with the hellion 2.5 feed piping?

The on3 kit only uses 2.5" flanges to come off the header as it has to, then it immediately mereges and is 3" the rest on the way on the hotside.

The downpipe fattens to 3.5" as well.

it's the same size but the flow is what honestly makes the difference. Also quality of piping. Hellion use Bassani. not china

Im sorry but now you are just reaching, the quality of the piping has nothing to do with flow when its smooth on the inside. Besides its 16 guage 304 stainless steel. The quality is excellent for the price. The real test is wehn I removed the recirc for the waste gate and had it welded shut on the downpipe and my welder had no issues welding a nice clean bead on it. No signs of junk or debris in the steel.

On3 copied hellion but in a much cheaper route. You do get what you pay for.

THP makes some good power but fits horrible, On3 makes bad piping and decent power. (good for bone stock cars) hellion works all around. I'm running the hellion kit on mine and the piping is just fine. Never bottom out and easy to work around.

All the 2011's are even better designed too.

The s197 here with the on3 kit and precision swap, the piping NEVER fit right and had to be re done many times. In the end, he spent more then a hellion kit that comes with the 76 upgrade.

On3 also improved upon the design in mulitple ways, they utilized ss flex couplers which is an absolutely awesome idea to ensure good seals on the vbands and they ovalized/flattened the piping as it goees under the a-arms for more ground clearance.


Like I have said before I was extremely impressed with what I got for the money the quality was above my expectations for the price. I got the entire kit minus the major components for under $1600, helion wanted $4k just for their hotside piping kit.

I ran my kit with precision turbos from the get go, I had to very slightly adjust the piping and turbo support bracket. Took 5-10 mins extra of work. Fitment is still great and I have no leaks even after retightening the vband clamps many times.

On3 makes no power? Haha Jeremy is at 656... Yea he doesn't have on3 turbo or wg or bov but who would keep that shit? How does it now make power? Id say 650+ is powwwa... Not defending the on3 at all as I have a HP performance turbo kit. But find it funny how you say hellion is better when on3 is based off the hellion kit with shitty components that only a retard would keep.

In the end I still believe the on3 with tial bov and wg and a billet 6765 is the best bang for your buck out there.

Yup!

The kit itself with a few upgrades is still cheaper and easily capable of big power.

I could easily max my setup out on 93 pump gas as it sits.

Matter fact now that I have the new fuel pumps maybe I will add a couple psi and go for 700rwhp.

Thanks lightblade for the instructions! And thanks for the offer guys but this project will start in the spring. I live in canada and the mustang is getting parked at the end of the month. Gives me all winter to gather components and have a really busy week in the spring!

It looks like alot of work but am really looking forward to putting it on myself. Gonna do a build thread then too with a ton of pics. I know its been done before many times but just in case someone sees something that I missed or messed up they can point it out. Im gonna go the On3 route with Tial bov and wastegate, then it sounds like I should have a decent system.

Thanks everyone for the input!

No prblem good luck with the install if you need any help feel free to ask.

it's based off the design but if u compare the 2 side by side, you will see a HUGE difference in location, piping quality, and flow design.

But if your looking to spend the least amount, you will pay more in the end upgrading to make the on3 work. A turbo a lone is 1000 if not more. We have not seen one kit come in here that has not had to be modified. For the price of the on3, not worth it if your looking to make some good power in the end. if your stock and just want a turbo, it should be fine.

My upgraded on3 kit was still cheaper than just the helion hotside piping! lol

Matter of fact my complete install with all the customizations I made and tuning was still $1k cheaper than the helion kit.

I bought the kit to customize it and it was a very cost effective starting point.

With a few cheap mods its very capable.

Just go Whipple and be halfway down the track before the other guys turbo kicks in.

Tsk tsk tsk my turbo is kicked in before I even start moving.

 

[rford426]

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[UltraKla$$ic]

Tsk tsk tsk my turbo is kicked in before I even start moving.