Intercooling Questions...Air to Water..

[05mustang_TT_charged]

So I searched and read over the 6-8 threads they have about the advantages and disadvantages of both but still not what I am looking for...

I will be installing a Turbo here shortly and would like to do a different setup than most. I plan on putting a KB or Whipple Lower Intake with Air to Water Intercooler system in it. I can get a hat made to bolt the throttlebody up so I'm not worried about that. After having the KB on my car for so long I think it did a damn good job of keeping the IAT's in check even with 21 psi. and beating up in it on the street with that amount of boost.

Questions:
What are the pre-intercooler temps of a Twinscrew Supercharger at higher boost?
Will the intercooler core from a KB or Whipple kit be able to cool the air charge from a 76mm turbo running around 15 psi. on the street and 25 psi at the track?
Does this seem like a good idea or am I really tired and sounding dumb?

I think this setup will be close to the best of both worlds as I can get a intercooler kit designed for the car and can bolt up. I will have to modify a couple pipes to fit my new way but that still isn't a big deal to me. I have seen where Air to Air cars can have IAT's as high as 270* at higher boost levels and do not want that for my car. I am dead set against Methanol/Alcohol Injection due to the risk of something going wrong and toasting a motor due to a $25 pump.

Please give me some ideas as I am already looking to buy this setup and have it waiting for when the rest of the car is done. I have also already looked into the other designed Air to Water kits and I have found that it will cost me more to piece a kit together than purchase the designed kit. My car will still see some street time so I would need to include a heat exchanger into this system which is already there on the Twinscrew kits. I will also have it where I can by-pass the heat exchanger at the track.

Sorry so long,
BJ

 

[JeremyH]

Cant help ya there, but subscribed.

 

[5.0Shocker]

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c...g_air_to_water_intercooler_install/index.html
There is nothin on the market for us right now. Custom would work, pricey Dez racing builds them. They are making good power. This one in the link is running 687hp with a cent blower. I always wondered about upgrading a Vortech aftercooler with a Turbo.

 

[SteveP]

Mike would be happy to work with you on this. Give us a call tomorrow morning.

508-336-6588

Steve

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

I like the Dez Racing stuff but they do not fabricate lower intakes...atleast that I know of...That is the reason I want to start off with a Twinscrew Lower Intake and build up...The intake and intercoolers have proven themselves with the high boost cars...I will try and call Dez Racing to see if they can make a full intake system...I figure anything around the price of a JPC plus maybe another $500 - $1000 on top it would be worth it to me...I should have some pricing of the Whipple lower sometime this week and will base my decision off that...

 

[5.0Shocker]

Mike would be happy to work with you on this. Gives us a call tomorrow morning.

508-336-6588

Steve

I like the Dez Racing stuff but they do not fabricate lower intakes...atleast that I know of...That is the reason I want to start off with a Twinscrew Lower Intake and build up...The intake and intercoolers have proven themselves with the high boost cars...I will try and call Dez Racing to see if they can make a full intake system...I figure anything around the price of a JPC plus maybe another $500 - $1000 on top it would be worth it to me...I should have some pricing of the Whipple lower sometime this week and will base my decision off that...

LOL spoke too soon, you should call them. It would be cool to see.

 

[Chris06GT]

So I searched and read over the 6-8 threads they have about the advantages and disadvantages of both but still not what I am looking for...

I will be installing a Turbo here shortly and would like to do a different setup than most. I plan on putting a KB or Whipple Lower Intake with Air to Water Intercooler system in it. I can get a hat made to bolt the throttlebody up so I'm not worried about that. After having the KB on my car for so long I think it did a damn good job of keeping the IAT's in check even with 21 psi. and beating up in it on the street with that amount of boost.

Questions:
What are the pre-intercooler temps of a Twinscrew Supercharger at higher boost?
Will the intercooler core from a KB or Whipple kit be able to cool the air charge from a 76mm turbo running around 15 psi. on the street and 25 psi at the track?
Does this seem like a good idea or am I really tired and sounding dumb?

I think this setup will be close to the best of both worlds as I can get a intercooler kit designed for the car and can bolt up. I will have to modify a couple pipes to fit my new way but that still isn't a big deal to me. I have seen where Air to Air cars can have IAT's as high as 270* at higher boost levels and do not want that for my car. I am dead set against Methanol/Alcohol Injection due to the risk of something going wrong and toasting a motor due to a $25 pump.

Please give me some ideas as I am already looking to buy this setup and have it waiting for when the rest of the car is done. I have also already looked into the other designed Air to Water kits and I have found that it will cost me more to piece a kit together than purchase the designed kit. My car will still see some street time so I would need to include a heat exchanger into this system which is already there on the Twinscrew kits. I will also have it where I can by-pass the heat exchanger at the track.

Sorry so long,
BJ

I wanna say it's Chris?, I believe is his name....the black turbo car on here that is pretty fast...I have a pic somewhere of his car...

He is running an air/water setup, but it is mounted behind the bumper...IMO, that's a better idea then to run the cooler like a KB or Whipple...

 

[WarFords]

I would do the JPC unit or something like it. We built a custom tank to use that setup. I will be buying the intercooler soon!

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

If this is the one you are talking about JPC Front Mount then I would have to say no thanks. I have priced building the same unit and it was less than half the price. I think he makes awesome parts but his prices are high. I think if Dez Racing can do what I want then it will be pretty sweet and one of a kind.

I wanna say it's Chris?, I believe is his name....the black turbo car on here that is pretty fast...I have a pic somewhere of his car...

He is running an air/water setup, but it is mounted behind the bumper...IMO, that's a better idea then to run the cooler like a KB or Whipple...

I would do the JPC unit or something like it. We built a custom tank to use that setup. I will be buying the intercooler soon!

 

[Brain_Mach1]

I would do the JPC unit or something like it. We built a custom tank to use that setup. I will be buying the intercooler soon!

x2.

If you use the KB or Whipple lowers, you give up intake runner length. You will make more average power from the factory intake or any aftermarket with a JPC air to water than using an ultra-short runner intake like the KB and Whipples.

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

I really do not think 25 psi will have a problem with a short runner intake. All twinscrew intakes are short runner with the exception of the Saleen. I'm thinking a bottom fed intake with longer runners anyway. The twinscrew intake will be something that I will put on to get the car going again and then will build my own if I have to.

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

Well I got some pricing on the Whipple Lower with Intercooler at a very good deal. I think I will start with the Whipple setup and if I don't like the turbo then all I have to do is buy a compressor and be back where I started again just with a different twinscrew.

 

[cruzing2much]

I use the jps air to water and works great. But if You remember evo's blue gt 500 that ran in the 7's used twin 67's and a stock gt500 lower for an intercooler and always had good iat's I think its a great idea. All that would have to be done is a custom top hat and maybe a twin fan heat exchanger and call it a day. you should be fine!!

 

[retfr8flyr]

Talk to Mike at Powerhouse. He built a 5.4 setup exactly like you are talking about, he used the GT500 lower and made a hat for the top with T/B mount.


Earl

 

[lito]

Have anyone tried both? A/A and A/W

 

[TexasBlownV8]

Maybe apples and oranges, but I had A/A with a vortech and it did a great job of keeping IATs low, within 20* of ambient worst-case, and within 2-5* normal street driving.

With my KB blower with air/water, IATs read about 40-60* higher than ambient worst case (with no fan drawing air over the heat exchanger though).

Interesting idea...keep us posted.